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law is. the law is one the side of equal access and equal opportunity that you have both viewpoints, religious and sector, with regards to students and clubs and afterschool operations and programs and so forth. i think it clearly is under attack, and i think that the people that have agendas or goals to ultimately removed expressions of god or religion from public squares. we've limited in those areas. of all the things that we do, 100% of all that we do, 95% is resolved, just through education. because of the misinformation that is out there. once you set the record straight, people can make the right decisions to. >> let's take some common examples that our viewers are probably familiar with. bible clubs in public high schools. are they allowed across the
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country? >> yes, absolutely, bible clubs are allowed. in fact, there is a federal law called equal access that was passed in 1994. there is also the good news club decision of 2001, that talks about afterschool programs that might not be a student initiated, it could be bible initiated, and those are permissible. for example, with a student club or afterschool club, that is not student initiated or led, their other secular programs with other secular viewpoints on the subject matter. typically, the school must also allow religious viewpoints on the subject matters. >> nativity scenes on public property. >> that is a clear example of where there is a lot of misinformation. misinformation is saying he simply can't have a nativity scene a on public property. in fact, that is not true. the only area that you need to look at for nativity scenes is
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if it is a publicly sponsored nativity scene on public property. if it is just the religious symbols, secular symbols at the holidays --, such as santa claus and ranger, it is constitutional. there is many cases of upholding that. that is one of the cleared areas where there is a misunderstanding that you can have a nativity scene because it's unconstitutional, which is not true. >> 10 commandments in the courthouse? >> that is another situation. that was hotly contested. before 1999, there were very few 10 commandments cases in the history of america. there were only a couple. in 1999, there was a program led by different organizations to file suits against the 10 commandments. that is a little bit more vague in some respects than the nativity scene. you can have the 10 commandments
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standing alone in certain situations like in texas, where the supreme court upheld a 6-foot granite monument that had been there for 40 years. it was there in a park with others. it was a very close in proximity to the other monuments that were there. the supreme court said that was permissible. on the other hand, essentially, if you have the 10 commandments standing by itself, that may lend itself to more of a constitutional challenge. but it has been upheld in the context of the 10 commandments with other symbols or documents pertaining to law. the 10 commandments has profoundly influenced american government. if you look at the ninth circuit court of appeals, the seal on the website and in the courtroom itself has the 10 commandments in the seo. if you go to the united states supreme court, there are a lot of different symbols and different kinds of depictions of lawgivers. the most prominent one is the 10 commandments. over 50 displays of the 10 commandments inside and outside of the screen court building
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itself. >> matthew staver, why do you have pledge of allegiance in your www.twitter.com/booktv. >> there is a lot of attack about the pledge of allegiance. there were efforts by some to eliminate religious words or phrases from history and culture and our symbols. of course, that battle is still going on in the united states. it went to the supreme court, the supreme court dismissed the case. but i suspect that if the supreme court does decide that issue head on, they will find that the pledge of allegiance is constitutional. >> if liberty university found
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itself is the same position as georgetown university, how would you approach a? >> we would file a federal lawsuit if we were forced to violate our religious beliefs. in fact, we did violate federal lawsuit called liberty university versus geithner against the patient protection act that is often attributed to obamacare. we raised not only the constitutional lack of authority under the commerce clause and the tax and spending clause, but also a violation of the first amendment religious free exercise clause by forcing liberty university and its employees to provide funding for or subsidize abortion or sterilization. we would not take that lying down lightly. and we would aggressively defend our constitutional rights to. >> where did you go to school? >> i grew up in florida for most of my life. i went to college in tennessee and seminary in michigan and then went to law school at the university of kentucky in lexington. how long have you been at liberty? >> i have been under doctor
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jerry falwell since the early 1990s. i founded liberty counsel at the law firm, and became his friend. i actually litigated some historic cases right here in i actually litigated some historic cases right here in virginia it's done all the way back to thomas jefferson, which churches in which churches were not allowed to hold land order dispose or work with land like other corporations. we ultimately got that overturned under the united states constitution. from those conversations with doctor falwell, we began talking about the idea that law school. the law school opened in 2004. doctor falwell asked me to be the dean, and i declined. when he asked me a second time, i also declined. when he asked me the third time, i became the dean of the law school in 2006. >> do you have another book ready to go? >> i do have a couple more in the process of developing. one is about the freedoms we do have in america and also about
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activism and motivation. i have been very moved by reading biographies. my desire is to ultimately educate and empower a new generation to make our community and world a better place. >> we have been talking with matthew staver, who is dean of the liberty university law school, vice president of the university. also a professor block. and the author of this book, "eternal vigilance: knowing and protecting your religious freedom". >> coming up next on "book tv", nikki haley talks about her life and political career. she was elected succulent as first female government in 2010. she describes her childhood and prejudice her family faced. this is about 45 minutes.
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>> thank you, arthur, and it is a real privilege to be here. i noticed that about at about this time yesterday, governor, you were on the view being questioned. hopefully we can elevate things a bit. a low bar. [laughter] >> but it is a privilege to be here. it is a wonderful book. arthur touched on your personal story. i publicly my two daughters today, because i think it is important for all of us to be able to spend time with strong, competent leaders. and because i think that your experience will be put to the notion that there is a republican war on women somehow. i want to talk with you answer with a story about your time on the campaign trail. the extent to which he your
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battle was with a gentleman during the primary, and he told him that you admired his fight, which is a phrase i love. what i would really like was how he began introducing you out your campaign event. you described in the book -- you say, henry would introduce me as if i were headlining lollapalooza. as the poet says, you can stand her up at the gates of hell, and she won't back down. >> and i thought you could start today by talking about where your spirit to fight comes from and george spirit to stand up and do what's right? >> everything good about me i got from my parents. everything negative about making from other laces, but i will tell you that i started every speech, and i continue to say that i'm the proud daughter of indian parents never minded us everyday how lucky we were to
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live in this country. i was born in a small southern town. 2500 people. my parents came here. my father was here in my mother was here, and the town to know what to make of us, and we didn't know what to make of them. this is a story of challenges. challenges of being a minority family in a small southern town. challenges of being different, and knowing you're different, but knowing that your parents is are telling you to be proud of why you are different. >> this is a story of challenges and challenges as we go forward. my parents wanted us to understand that what makes you different makes you special. also the fact that this small southern town, why we went to this town -- this is the same state who elected an indian
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female governor for south carolina. what does this say about the state in this country? that is really the story behind us. we all go through challenges. it is not the challenges that define you. it is how you handle those challenges. now i realize that all of those challenges were reckoned. every one of those challenges was a blessing. i don't back down, i have the strength, every time you go to a challenge you are amazed at what you can overcome. >> in addition to those lessons from your parents, and one of the things you talked about is your parents telling you that you don't complain about problems. you find a way to solve them. you have another story. as the mother of a 12 euro, i particularly love. your mom have started a small business in the living room of your home. the accountant was leaving. the story they tell is that you happened to be strolling out of the kitchen, 12-year-old nikki haley. your mother read you and said train her how to do this. so i don't think many people know. i didn't know until i read your book that at the age of 12 and
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13, you were the accountants for your mom's business. >> the business grew out of the house, and it was something she did very well at that time. the bookkeeper was there and she said, i have to train someone. i'm going to be leaving in two weeks. my mom grabbed my arm and said i want you to train her. she said i can't train her, she is 13. she said if you train her, she will do it. >> so i was doing payrolls and taxes and the general ledger, i was paying bills and making deposits. i didn't know until i got to college but that wasn't normal. [laughter] >> but i tell people that that was my parents way of saying that they did not want me to note the limitations of age and gender and being indian. they just always said that whatever you do, be great at it and make sure that people remember you for it. but it was at that point that i
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shaped the value of a dollar. and what it means for the private sector, and how it is so hard to make a dollar and easy for government to take it. the velocities and the beliefs that i have are things that i live. not because of a label telling me what to believe, but because i truly lived it and understood what the hardships of small businesses were. >> if you jump ahead to your very first political race. you know, if you go into just about any nursery school in america today, and probably around the world, you will see that the little girls are running circles around the little voice. and i say that as a proud mom of girls and boys. the girls are running the place. so i have often wondered why is it that women are not yet running the world's? i think part of it is risk.
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if you look at your 2004 race, you had everybody telling you don't do it, don't do it, don't do it. what gave you the confidence? was that ignorance? >> absolutely. i think it was a couple of things. i think it was the fact that i saw, as a businessperson, i wondered why we didn't have more business people in the statehouse. then i had a mom that said quit complaining, do something. >> i said, well, i will run for the statehouse. i didn't know that you should not run against a 30 year incumbent. once i got in, the only option was to win. what was surprising is that we went to a series of consultants. i told my friend that i have this money and no one will take my money. one consultant said that you are too young, you have small children, you just need to look
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at school boards, you don't need to run for statehouse. another consultant said, nikki, your dad goes to that temple a mother is less than 1% indian. you can't win this district. so was a lot of can't. one of the interesting things was what really jumped me over to say that i'm going to do this -- hillary clinton was a guest speaker at an institute. she was very good giving a speech to a few hundred people. everyone is going to tell you why you shouldn't do it, and that's all the reason why you should. that's what she said. if anybody tells me i can do something, it motivates me to do it. i didn't see young moms running for office or women running for office. i didn't see businesspeople running for office. that was really more of the reason that i said that we need more people. the reason i wrote the book is that after i won the governor's race, is that so many people
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said after what he went through, i would never run for office. that was devastating. that was the opposite of what i wanted them to take away. i wanted them to look at me and see how i got through the challenges. women just don't run. they just don't run. and we need more women in office. we need more real people in office. we need people who have lived their lives and know the problems of government. >> you immediately, as soon as you got into the state legislature, perhaps not immediately -- you were successful in moving up in leadership, but in the firestorm that you came across when you insisted on transparency.
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>> when i got into office, no one knew what to make of me. i had defeated their friend. nobody wanted to share a desk with me or share an office with me. there happened to be another person that defeated the majority leader. we were the two outsiders and we quickly became desk mates and office mates, and it worked out well. when i got there, i saw a lot of things that i thought were wrong. one was in south carolina, legislators didn't have to show their votes on the record. all the voting was by voice vote. i watched this bill get rid across the desk, and i say this in the book. they were increasing pensions for themselves. all of in favor say aye, all opposed say nay. everyone approved it. i said we are republicans, what did we just do? i don't understand. the next day i went and i said that i am filing a bill that says anything important enough to be debated on the house of
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the floor of the senate, is important for everyone to know how we vote. my leadership said put the bill away. we don't need it. we will decide what the public needs to see what they don't. i got my husband in the room. michael, stand up and wave. i remember saying to michael, that night, if i can't get legislators to vote on the record, i don't need to be here. i made a decision knowing that there could be harmed but to fight anyway. i took on the fight. i went across the state. i said that of all bills passed in the house, only 8% on the record. did you know of all bills passed in the senate, only 1% was on the record? and then i said he didn't know how the legislators in the house voted, 92% of the time -- you don't know how you senators vote 99% of the time -- how do you know who to vote for the bull's? south carolina was astonished.
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>> what was interesting is that was not my first year in office. my first year, i was chairman of the freshman class. my third year was put on a powerful business committee. my fourth year, i was subcommittee chair of thinking. the year that i would not put the bill away and bought two say that legislators should show their votes. they stripped me of everything. they took away every ounce of power that i had. i was trying to show legislators that this is what happens when we stepped out of line. so i ran for governor. [laughter] i am proud to say that within our first couple of months, i signed a bill that now every legislator shows their vote on the record in the state of south carolina, and they show their vote on every section of the budget. so we see their spending habits as well. [applause] [applause] >> it was in that governor's race that you faced some of the
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most hateful and shameful attacks. i think, just to give a plug to into this book, anyone who is thinking about running for office or is, at a minimum, they should read the whole book -- at a minimum, they should read the paragraph at 151 at the bottom of the page where governor haley says talk about -- all of the instincts to prove myself to skeptics and critics started to come alive. while some are using this as a reason to destroy me, i would use it as a reason to protect myself and strengthen my family. it is one of those points that may seem obvious, but so much of politics today can be so nasty. the decision, not just to say that i am going to ignore it, but to take the attack and turn it around and use it to make these things stronger is brilliant. i would like to talk about that.
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how you decided you were going to fight through this and not let them take you down. >> the interesting thing was that i was someone who didn't have a name or money throughout the race. what we did have is a conservative message. i have a lot of passion. and we had a grassroots movement. as i was going through this, none of the other candidates were acknowledging me. then they started to see movement. the second that ross newsom said we were number one in the polls was three or four days -- i looked at michael, and we celebrated for five minutes, and then i said this will hurt. i knew something had to happen. within four or five days, it was everything under the sun came out. what they don't understand is that that only motivated me to fight more. it was everything that was wrong with politics. they were using politics as a distraction. i was going to show them that i
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was not going to be distracted. i told them it was lies and false. i told them this is exactly why we need to look at somebody new for governor. >> and it worked. >> and it worked. >> and i wonder how many of those consultants who wouldn't take your money back in 2004 have since been back around trying to knock on your door? >> they are my best friends now. [laughter] [applause] >> sitting here where we are today in washington d.c., the idea of the damage that washington can do around the country and the damage that the federal government can do, it particularly, this administration, can sometimes be theoretical. but as governor of south carolina, you have experienced it firsthand. arthur mentioned the battle with the national labor relations board. it is a stunning story. a story that has a good ending, but it is helpful if you could talk about that fight you had to which. >> coming into the governorship, i knew that we would have to deal with that and budget issues and unemployment issues.
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i knew that we had to reform government. what i never knew was that the hardest part about my job would be the federal government. we passed the illegal immigration reform and the department of justice stopped it. we passed a voter id bill, the department of justice stopped us. now we are getting ready in the next couple weeks to pass a bill that says if you're going to get unemployment benefits, you have to pass a drug test. i am expecting a fight there. what i never thought we would see was the most un-american thing, which is this great american company, boeing, they stopped us from putting a new plant in south carolina which would've created $1000. not one person was hurt. yet president obama and the national labor relations board when i said we couldn't do it.
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an american company. and i watched president obama give his speech in front of the joint session of congress. and he said that i want to see things made in america. and i remember saying, i have some planes i'm trying to have you make in charleston, south carolina, and you are stopping us. god bless the fact that we have an election year. we have a president that is a little bit nervous, and backups that suit got knocked down. but now those 1000 employees were 600 employees. that is what america is about. when we move out of the ways and let the private sector work. not moving ahead to 2011. your decision early on to endorse governor romney. it is clear in the book that governor romney endorsed you early, he is someone for whom you have a lot of respect.
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it is a decision that was controversial. particularly, among the tea party. not all were so quick to support him. talk about the decision and how you felt about the criticism that came from your supporters? >> a lot of it was that i knew that i needed a partner in the white house. what i knew is that i didn't have it. i knew that i couldn't do the will of the people and was not having that, so i tried to think of what i wanted. michael and i sat down. we were trying to figure out how we were going to decide. we have so many candidates. i do a report card on our legislator -- our legislators. michael said when we do report card on this as well? what i knew is that i didn't want anything like the chaos in washington. i wanted someone outside of washington. the second thing is that i wanted someone else who had been on the other side of government
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when it came to business. i wanted someone who knew what it was like to create jobs and start a business, but also knows how hard it is when a business fails and then i wanted results. so i looked at governor romney and i saw that he took a liberal state and cut taxes 19 times, balanced its budget with 85% legislator ed and i thought, what we have in washington? on top of that, it was the fact that i knew him and his wife, i knew their family, i knew where they were, i knew how he wasn't just a candidate that wanted to win. this is somebody who had thought for the last four years about how he would handle the situation and if he had been president. all of those things together let me know that that was the right person. going in, i felt like i needed to do what was right and it would allow me to sleep at night and i was comfortable with that.
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tea party was a great help. what they want is someone who understands the value of the dollar and the government works for the people and not the other way around. they want government to understand that their protections and freedoms and liberties matter. those ball went into my decision-making. the first thing i did was sitting down with governor romney, i said, i have tough questions for you. i don't want mandatory health care in the state of south carolina. i said we can't afford it and we don't want it. he said the first day i will repeal it. what we did in massachusetts was for massachusetts. i would never do a national mandate. i said that i need to know that if i pass any bill in south carolina that the federal government is not going to stop the will of the people of south carolina. he said that i was a governor of the state. he said you have to be able to governor state without the
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federal government getting in the wake. he said i will always support those things. >> that was really what gummy bear. it was tea party values that i asked him about questions on, and i got responses back. i can tell you that while some members of the tea party might be disappointed, you can't please everybody all the time. there is no one or two people that speaks for the tea party. that's what makes them great. they are not a label. they don't vote in a block. they have independent thinking, and they did not. you will see even in the state of south carolina that the exit polls, two thirds of the people were still with me after that. i am very confident that governor romney will be within the nominee, and i believe that i did the right thing. >> how do you account for the fact that he wasn't able to carry south carolina even after the endorsement? >> .carolina has strong independent-minded people. i get asked if i take that personally. no, that is because i love that
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about south carolina. they will do if they want to do. i respected them to do that, and i also respected the fact that they did what i wanted and they accepted that. >> i see that you also said that you are not interested in being on the ticket if the governor asks you. but what about the cabinet? you think that nikki haley would be a great secretary of labor and secretary of commerce. do you ever think that perhaps that you could be able to make a difference on a larger scale? >> my decision, and when you read all of the challenges that we went through to become governor, the people of south carolina took a chance on me. it is important for me that people trust their government. i made a commitment to them. i have a job to finish. and i want to make them proud. whether it is vice president or a cabinet position, you know, i
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need to finish the job that was given to me. i love the state of south carolina, and i love being governor of south carolina, and i will fight for the nominee in every way to show how it has hurt south carolina and what we have been through. but i am going to stay in my state and finish what i started and do what i promised i would do. >> one last question before we take audience questions. that is about women. you have a chapter dedicated to a strong conservative women. governor palin, who helped in your race. we are in the midst of a real attempt, in my view, to paint the republicans is at war with women. i would like you to talk a little bit about your perception of that and your perception of the role of women going forward for the country, not just for the party. >> i am a huge fan of women. i think we are great. [laughter] >> the issue is that not enough
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women are running. we need more women in office. we have great experiences, we are wives and mothers and daughters and sisters. i would love to see more women in office. women tend to second-guess themselves. they think about the families first and think oh, what if this happens when what i will say to women is that we need you. we will be a better country when we have more in office. we will be better for that. governor palin is a perfect example. she came to the state, and i tell a story where we are sitting and talking. yes, we are comparing shoes and boots and talking about all those things. but we talked about family and leadership. she said when you start to win, they are going to come after you. then she said, after you become governor, it will never stop. she was so right. i just saw her a couple of days ago and i said, you were so right. and she said it never stops. for us, what we have to do is
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say our message. don't get distracted. are they going to try and derail his? as they are. but we are competent and smart, and we will continue to prove that there is no amount of attacks that are going to stop us. we are going to keep fighting and keep winning. i think that is the biggest message of the day. we are not going to whine. we are going to prove through results. >> the point you make in the book so well is that we are about opportunity. >> we are. >> the issues that women care about, jobs, the economy, making sure that their kids can go to school and that the country is safe -- those are our areas. >> people want to make a women to be one issue voters, and were not. we care about all those things, and we are very powerful in the way we think about it. yes, that is exactly right. i think that the media is
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actually frightened of women. i will tell you that i wear heels. it is not for a fashion statement, it's ammunition. [laughter] >> on that note, this is a good place to end. the governor will be happy to take any questions folks have about the book or anything else. >> yes, right here. >> there are people walking around with microphones. we have a question in the front. >> i wanted to ask you what would you say to republicans who feel that mitt romney is not conservative enough. there are questions about his conservative credentials, especially his social conservatism. >> i can tell you from a personal front, those are some of the questions that i asked as well. i asked him about family, and he believes that marriage should be between a man and woman. i am strongly pro-life, and not because of a party coming to --
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telling me to believe that, but because michael is adopted. if you look at mitt romney's record as governorgovernor, he always took action on the side of life. there is not one time when he didn't. what i will tell you is that i think that as we are going through this process, people look at what they want. they are doing the right thing. it's a great part of our democracy. but what we all agree one regardless of who that republican candidate is that they may be supporting, we all know what we don't want, and that is what we have had for the past three years. i think everyone will come back to that in the end. >> over your? >> overseer? >> my question is as an indian american, how can you help to bring that part of the world closer to america a? a related question is obama
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spends so much money. we have spent $600 billion in afghanistan since september 11. we have given 1700 lives. [inaudible question] [inaudible question] he is missing of u.s. foreign policy. if you are offered a job with mitt romney, would you accept that? >> well, first, i will start with the first part of your question. which is, i educate people on the greatness of the indian community. i am incredibly proud.
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indians or greater medicine and business and education and teaching and all of that. the one thing that they have lacked on is being involved in government and politics. as the next generation, you will see that we are starting to realize that we have to have that rule. we have to have that voice. whether it is bobby jindal or me or someone around the country that is choosing to get involved in office, that is a good thing. the other thing i want for people to know about the indian community, it is one of the minorities that is the highest educated in the country. it is one of the minorities that has the highest per capita of any minority in the country. it is one of the minorities that is the least dependent on government assistance. the one i love, it is one of the minorities that is the most profitable of any in the country. those are all things that i am incredibly proud of. what we are taught growing up is that the best way to appreciate god's blessings are to give back.
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you see that through service and charity. getting into web would i accept a position? no, i will not do anything but be a great governor in south carolina. i think that what we have seen with president obama is that he would really go back to that new deal concept that government can fix all things. we have seen our debt -- we have seen more debt grow with president obama in three years than we have seen with president bush in 2008. those are the things we are trying to change. we've got to get out of this debt. we've got to stop the spending. if you're going to ask every other governor in the country to balance the budget, washington has to balance their budget. that is at the heart of everything we are talking about. they need to prioritize where they need to spend. on foreign relations, i will tell you the hot situation says it all. we don't know what he is thinking from a foreign affairs standpoint. and that is scary.
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>> governor haley, you talk a little bit about immigration. i think the republican party's commitment to supporting the lot, which is commendable. could you talk about how the republican party needs to change vote its perception among the public and voters, as well as substantial policy issues on what we can do for legal immigration in this country. >> we passed illegal immigration reform in south carolina. unfortunately, president obama won't let us enforce it. what i will tell you, is that the daughter of immigrant parents came here legally. they came here the right way and paid the money, they are offended by those that don't come the right way. the second side is that we are a
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country of laws. the day we stop becoming a country of laws, we will lose everything that makes us great. what do i think? we need to enforce our immigration laws. but we also need to look at expanding our workforce visa situation. immigrants are what makes this country great. we need their expertise and research and the technologies that they are able to bring. but we need to do all that legally. there are two sides to it. i think the republicans probably could go talk about the fact that yes, we do want immigrants. we want them legally. yes, we do think that they are valuable, i think they probably need to stress that as much as they stress that they don't want illegal immigration. >> item from the guardian. i just had a quick question about having read some chapters of your book. i was wondering if he felt any sort of a shared experience with
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president obama, given that he came from not the most ideal circumstances to be elected for office -- being an african-american and growing up in somewhat difficult circumstances. if you felt a shared experience of any sort or would you say that -- you know, this party is bucking that? >> of course not. i hope that my story tells -- what i hope that everyone feels is the pride of living in this country. the one thing my parents said over and over again was only in this country can you be anything you want to be and no one's going to get in your way. president obama is proof of that. i am proof of that. look at any entrepreneur that started from strong challenges and how they have become successful. we have examples across the country in business and education and in sports and
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politics. that is the highlight of this country. that is what we need to grasp onto. i want people to be proud of where we live. i am proud of where we live. my parents are proud of where we live. party or no party, nobody can take that away from them. >> a question for you, governor. if the affordable healthcare act survives in the supreme court, what impact will that have on your state's budget, vis-à-vis the increased medicaid spending that the law requires. >> our state along with every other state will be devastated. what you will see in south carolina alone, our annual budget is $5 billion. the affordable healthcare act will cost us 5 billion over 10 years. we can't afford it. we will go bankrupt.
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the part about health care that we need to understand is that i strongly believe the individual mandate is unconstitutional. the second side of it is that i strongly believe that the states are the best to make these decisions. what i would like to see is for washington to be able to give up block grants. let us decide the best way to spend the money. southlake succulent and it's not like -- south carolina is not like california. our issues are the poverty and education. in another state, it could be something else. we would spend the money differently. if the affordable healthcare act goes into place, you will see a lot of private-sector companies just pay the penalty and throw it to government. we will see less quality in health care and higher costs. the goal of every state right now should be how to get the most health health care for thet amount of money.
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d.c. should until he had to do it. what we are trying to do in south carolina is make sure that there is transparency from the patient to the doctor and the doctor to the insurance company. if we were to treat healthier like we treated getting our oil changed at the car dealership or maintenance shop, what would happen? you go in and you tell them what you want. they show you the list of things you are getting ready to pay for. you sign it and then you do it. if people actually got involved in their health care decisions, if they were able to say, at the dentist -- i don't want the fluoride and i don't want to pay the $10 on the tylenol. look at how much we would save and how much more involved we would be. we wouldn't want or need certain medications. we actually do a lot of things that doctors tell us to do, and 50% we wouldn't do if we need the costs associated with it. my hope is that we learned a great lesson from this. i think that yes, we need to address health care. every state needs to do it.
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but every state needs to do it individually with their own programs and plans. not from the mandatory side of it. >> yes? >> i'm jenny rogers from the washington examiner. i hope this question doesn't come off shallow. you mentioned high heels. i know women in government face government face critique for what they were and how they have silver-haired, whether it is hillary clinton growing her hair out or how much surveillance close cost. i am curious if you think about how you are dressing and presenting yourself and if you have gotten any blowback for that? >> jenny, the thing that surprises me is how much people won't let you forget what you look like. i was announcing a groundbreaking -- continental

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